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there's a light coming from underneath

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to be careful

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who else is

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can you briefly describe

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small yes how small is small

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and how many

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okay eight of these

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well that's the extraordinary story of

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Alan Godfrey who joins us now I'm

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pleased to say you're looking a lot

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better now one of the things that

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intrigues me about this is that you're a

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former policeman as well it seems to be

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a bit of a hazard of the job you're like

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Tony yeah I was out in a police car one

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night and six of my colleagues had seen

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this UFO

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and buzzing around the Tomlin Valley

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and I came actually came across it

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blocking the main trunk roll through

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I remember the incident

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Ally the UFO existed it was only 25

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yards off it and he was completely

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blocking the main road

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what made you want to go under hypnosis

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to find out more about it then

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I think one of it notices for about 12

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months after the event that's a long

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time afterwards I mean did you see any

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films or read any books or about science

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fiction or anything in that time maybe

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it was

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obviously up to the event I mean I have

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no interest whatsoever in UFOs a lot

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less monster or anything you know I was

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just a total police officer 10-year

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service

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uh and when you come across something

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like this and the reaction within the

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job and the I'm from the ministry of

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defense that

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and their investigations that I had to

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go on there obviously I became

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interested in what I'd actually seen

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right and when I found out through

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investigative work by other people that

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I had it actually had a time lapse

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uh and I was asked to do under hypnotic

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regression which incidentally was done

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by the police surgeon and it was still

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under proper medical okay well I think I

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think you've established that I'm quite

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intrigued though to know what some of

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our Skeptics have got to say about a

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story like that I mean it sounds very

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convincing now John Mason I know that

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you've spent a long time looking at this

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and you're not at all convinced but

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can you explain a story like that well

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firstly let's say that hypnotic

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regression has been used in America in

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many many cases to look at people who've

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had these so-called abduction

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experiences and in a lot of cases there

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has been leading of the person under the

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influence there was a couple of

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questions in that interview there where

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there was a certain amount of leading of

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the abductee by the interviewer now

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who carried out that session I was the

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person who arranged oh that immediately

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makes me scared no no no no no no no no

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I did not utter one word

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during that session but you were there

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pleased I was there but I was silent I

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was the cameraman the invest the

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interrogation was conducted by the

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doctor who didn't even know that it what

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that it was a UFO event I deliberately

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didn't tell her Harry can I give you can

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I just give you a very quick quotation I

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just want to say now this is a very

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unfair criticism I did not lead the

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witness I never spoke a word at all

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during that session and the doctor had

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no idea what was coming next he was just

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asked to invest to hypnotize a police

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officers does that does that satisfy you

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no no you're a very very quick quotation

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from a guy who is past president of the

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international Society of clinical

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hypnotists it'll have to be quick

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professor of Psychiatry and various

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other things and what he says about this

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kind of hypnosis is there is no way by

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which anyone even a psychologist or

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psychiatrist with extensive training in

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the field of hypnosis can for any

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particular piece of information

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determine whether it is an actual memory

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versus a confabulation that's it by

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confabulation he means a construction

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that comes out of the unconscious mind

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from things that have been read from

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things that have been heard Harry what

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you have to say to that then well we're

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talking about no my comment is this that

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I have arranged probably about a dozen

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or more hypnotic regression experiments

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with different doctors

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under hypnosis well what comes how this

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comes about is you have a witness or

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Witnesses who see a u film followed by

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well all right think they do followed by

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an amnesia

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uh often they are multiple witness

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during hit the hypnotic regression

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session let me finish during the

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hypnotic regression experiment sessions

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they come out with the same account more

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or less as Alan Godfrey under hypnosis

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their blood pressure Rises their pulse

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rate they express

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display extreme bodily fear now if the

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accounts are very similar I have no

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explanation I wish I had you must be

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aware of it right I'm still quite

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intrigued because I know that we could

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go down a path of the hypnotism which um

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I mean I'm still interested you know how

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I got it I'm still intrigued by this

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business about losing an hour out of

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your life which is actually what

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happened to you as well isn't it Victor

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now how did that did that happen yeah

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I'd first like to say that before I had

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my UFO experience or my mother and I had

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had the experience

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um I had no interest in UFOs at all but

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I wouldn't have thought insensitive

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enough to laugh at somebody okay okay

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right got some insensitive people in

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here tonight very much so yes

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um my mother and I were innocently

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traveling home from Southport to

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Manchester after visiting a sick

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relation we were buzzed by a UFO it came

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40 feet above our car it was a massive

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craft twice the size of a double decker

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bus it was a soundless craft the lights

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on it were five feet in diameter it

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slowed my car down from 66 miles an hour

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down to four miles an hour and my car

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was literally bumping off the road all

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the electrics were interfered with and

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the engine was interfered with we were

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stopped on the Queen's Highway we were

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interfered with on that road by an

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aircraft of unknown Origins it's just

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fascinating how much time did you lose

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exactly we lost 50 five minutes out of

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our lives and I've been under hypnosis

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five times as you want to find out what

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happened yes I do but I want to find out

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where the craft came from it was not

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from this Earth tell me how seriously

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that was taken I know you tried to find

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out from the mod if they knew anything

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I was ignored for a long long time and

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then I got a very silly stupid letter

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back about saying that um they they

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agreed that some UFO

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um we don't need to see we don't need to

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see the letter Harry but they actually

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told you to go and see a doctor didn't

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they the second letter I got that sorry

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the first letter I broadly advised me to

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my mother and I to go and see a doctor

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if we were upset about it which you were

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obviously very upset about the letter as

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well well in fact we do have someone

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here tonight who has spent many years

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working for the ministry of Defense

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Ralph noise now what about treating a

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case like that well I'm extremely sorry

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to hear that Linda had a silly and

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stupid letter but what would you expect

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a government Department to do about a

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story which is told like that if I may

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speak personally I haven't got the least

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doubt that what happened to Linda and

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what happened to Alan is parallel by

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hundreds of cases worldwide which I

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think are very well evidenced I thought

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it was very nice of the Brave lady back

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there to report her citing that orange

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Beck was saying

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what does the ministry of defense do in

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these cases exactly what did you do

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because of your defense is to consider

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whether anything has got into our

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airspace which shouldn't be there

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um well it sounds as if it has well it

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never has in any solid form that we ever

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traced and I think we're into a very

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difficult area here because when you

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start talking about something which is

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real but not solid you're into a very

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weird area the ministry of Defense

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received hundreds and hundreds of

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reports in the public every year uh in

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in tricky years meaning when things seem

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to be going on we used to get seven or

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eight hundred reports sometimes two of

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them but do they take it seriously every

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single time but hang on but but then

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they take it seriously enough do you

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think

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may I respond to them may I respond to

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it's a fire live Rockets out of you

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which had intruded into UK airspace okay

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we're short of time to go into another

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story

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sorry the concern of the ministry of

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Defense can only be can only be it as a

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defense department has anything got into

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our airspace which shouldn't be there

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which has got past our radar system

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which might do damage

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we never encountered anything which

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persisted from all the machines I'm

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I'm going to have to stop you I'm